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  What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

  surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

  my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

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  Sea Breeze

  As usual, when you pop the hood and look at the engine, you find out that instead of a Chevy all you got was a toy from Fischer-Price.
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  What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

  surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

  my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

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  Sea Breeze

  I wrote this about the Lie that Franz was a Rhodes Scholar some years ago:

  Macmillan wrote of Franz in his 1957 book - "Faith On The March": “he carried away the honors at the University of Cincinnati and was offered the privilege of going to Oxford or Cambridge in England under the Rhodes plan” (pg. 181). “Besides Spanish, Franz has a fluent knowledge of Portuguese and German and is conversant with French. He is also a scholar of Hebrew and Greek as well as Syriac and Latin, all of which contribute to making him a thoroughly reliable mainstay on Knorr’s editorial staff” (pg. 182).
  
  So, here apparently was one source of the rumors regarding Mr. Franz’s intellectual and linguistic prowess that I had heard so much about as a young boy. However, the facts about his education prove problematic for the support of such claims. Scanned copies of the scholastic transcripts of Mr. Franz’s work as a student at the University of Cincinnati show that Mr. Fredrick William Franz quit his university education well before completing his bachelors’ degree (first tier 4 year degree).
  
  So, how could it be true that Franz “carried away the honors of the University of Cincinnati” when he didn’t even graduate?
  Franz seemed to try to run a little interference for himself when he wrote in his autobiography (in the article “Looking Back Over 93 Years of Living” for the May 1, 1987, Watchtower magazine):
  
  “I had been chosen to go to Ohio State University to take competitive examinations with others to win the prize of the Cecil Rhodes Scholarship.”
  
  Simply being told what a student must accomplish in order to be invited to Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, is certainly not the same as “being offered the privilege of going to Oxford or Cambridge in England under the Rhodes plan”. This started me to thinking that there might be more to this story than met the eye. I wondered if there was anything else here that was different than what I’d been led to believe?
  
  First, let’s consider the other linguistic claims about Mr. Franz that was distributed in all the Kingdom Halls in the late 1950’s. Macmillan wrote: “Franz has a fluent knowledge of Portuguese and German and is conversant with French. He is also a scholar of Hebrew and Greek as well as Syriac and Latin.”
  
  However, according to Mr. Franz’s college transcript, his major language studies were in classical Greek (21 semester hours), not Koine Greek in which the New Testament was written. The Greek Franz studied has different grammar and syntax from that of biblical Greek.
  
  At that time, there was only one course in biblical Greek even offered at the University of Cincinnati.
  
  According to the 1911 university catalog, page 119, that course was titled: “The New Testament – A course in grammar and translation.” Although Franz did take this class, this was not a full 3-hour college credit course. This was simply a survey course of New Testament Greek. Therefore it could legitimately be said that Franz never completed not even one typical college course in New Testament Greek. The one short course he did take was in a sense, well….anti-typical; if I may use a favorite phrase of his.
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  The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

  by Longlivetherenegades in

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  those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

  1. father .

  2. jesus .

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  Sea Breeze

  @ Rattigan

  Sea Breeze, why do you all have to bring in these unscriptural, made up diagrams?

  The diagram is scriptural and illustrates how Jesus is both Fully Man and Fully God. Please explain how my chart is unscriptural or inconsistent?

  Body, Soul and Spirit???? What does that have to do with anything?

  It has everything to do with it. Before the rise of materialism in the 19th century it was commonly accepted that the spirit of a man and the soul of a man were persons. They are referred to as persons in scripture.

  In John 2:19 Jesus did not predict that he would raise himself from the dead, because Acts said that God raised him up. And if he could raise himself from the dead, he wasn't dead.

  Sure he did claim that:

  John 2: 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.

  22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. (See also John 10: 18)

  This is why the resurrection was such a big deal. He predicted he would resurrect himself from the dead, while he was dead. That was AWESOME. This event is what the first Christians believed in as the above scripture clearly shows.

  Your definition of "dead" needs to be restored to its original meaning. In the bible "death" means separation of the soul, body and soul:

  Gen. 35: 18 - And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin. And Rachel died, and was buried.

  Death just means "separation":

  "The wages of sin is death" (separation from the body)

  "The soul that is sinning will die" (become separated from its body)

  What part of the below chart do you find unscriptural or inconsistent?

  

  The fact that scripture says that...

  1. Jesus raised himself from the dead

  2. The Father raised him from the dead

  3. The Holy Spirt raised Jesus from the dead

  ... gives powerful evidence that Jesus was both God and Man.

  This is very simple to understand if you use biblical definitions. If you don't use biblical definitions, you're just wasting your time.
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  What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

  surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

  my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

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  Sea Breeze

  So their statement of not seeking "glory and honor" in their Version seems genuine, and not out of place.

  You don't think the fact that none on the "translating committee" had any degrees in the original biblical languages had anything to do with it? Only one had a 2 hr. survey course in Koine Greek.

  Faith never means gullibility. The man who believes everything is as far from God as the man who refuses to believe anything. - Tozer
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  Trump wins

  by gavindlt in

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  i am non political and have never voted but nonetheless i have been keenly watching to see how the trump presidential race unfolds.

  i believe that his involvement in propelling or influencing a leaning toward bible prophecy will unfold.

  how, i can’t say but something tells me that this anomaly and outlier being trump is highly signifiant!

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  The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

  by Longlivetherenegades in

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  those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

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  Sea Breeze

  I doubt very much that anyone's salvation depends on whether you believe in a trinity or not.

  Some truth to this. I wasn't fully on board with it when I got saved. I believed Jesus was raised from the dead and that he now has "all power in heaven and earth". He said, "come to me", so I cried out to Jesus to save me. Apparently, that was enough.

  The Holy Spirit got me straightened out on a number of things later, siting in church, listenening to good KJV verses woven into messages.
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  The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

  by Longlivetherenegades in

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  those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

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  Sea Breeze

  The scriptures attached to your chart prove nothing.

  It proves how Jesus could be both God and Man at the same time.
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  The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

  by Longlivetherenegades in

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  those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

  1. father .

  2. jesus .

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  Sea Breeze

  JJ,

  Please point out the inconsistency in the chart and scriptures I provided. Can you?
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  What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

  surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

  my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

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  Sea Breeze

  What happened among the Governing Body that they made a 360 degrees turn in less than two years.

  Math happened. They hammered that scripture that says that a generation is 70 - 80 yrs. over and over that they felt they had to address it. 80 yrs. had expired only 11 months earlier. What was their way to addres it? Just change it with no explanation.... like no one was going to notice.

  A lot of people left the WT after this, but not nearly enough. The majority gave them a pass.
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  The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

  by Longlivetherenegades in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

  1. father .

  2. jesus .

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  Sea Breeze

  JJ,

  The scriptures are cited in the chart. Which verses do you find objectionable?